> Hmmmm, this is a very good discussion but neither of us is budging,
> well you might be wavering a little I feel.

No I am not wavering at all.  My feeling is that I am winning the
debate, but I assume you think the same thing about yourself!

> It is the same thing Davin. It is just good or Bad. That is it.

I don't see your point here.  Yes morality is the subject
on what is good and what is bad.

> It's just brainwashing.

Being religious doesn't mean that you have been brainwashed.  Since
you claim to be an atheist, where do you get your pleasure from life?
Since you are nothing but a speck of dust on a speck of dust, (as an
atheist) what is the point of your existence?

> You know That puts you in the same boat as George W Bush.

So what if it does.  He is a person and I am a person and, as such, we
have a lot in common.

> Yes but they are not hoodwinking the general population to further
> their own aims.  I consider that to be a great crime.

Yes maybe some hoodwinking does occur, but as an atheist, please tell
me what is the purpose of your existence?